April 7, 2014 Minutes of the Undergraduate Council


Kathy Bratby, Colleen Chelslak, Janet Clark, Jennifer Dellaposta, Arlene Feldman, Mario Ferrone, Sarah Fuller, Jeff Ge, Kane Gillespie, Norman Goodman, Imin Kao (visitor, CEAS/Mechanical Engineering), Peter Khost, Foluso Ladiende (Mechanical Engineering), Joe Mitchell, Michael Mooney, Anne Moyer, Jean Peden, Scott Sutherland

Minutes of the February 24, March 10, March 14, and March 24, 2014 meetings

These minutes were approved with minor corrections and comments.  In discussion of the March 14 minutes of the special meeting with the Provost, the UGC acknowledged that we must render our opinion to the Provost regarding the issue of the “C or better” requirement for SBC courses.  Regarding the March 24 minutes, Kane will confirm the Bulletin review changes that are detailed in the minutes with Kathy.

Senate Meeting of April 7, 2014

 Anne will attend and present UGC discussion points regarding seamless transfers; the comments from the UGC meeting of November 20, 2013 were particularly helpful in preparing for this discussion.

SUNY Korea: BE Degree

Visitors Imin Kao (CEAS, Mechanical Engineering) and Foluso Ladiende (Mechanical Engineering, Chair at SUNY Korea) were present to field questions regarding the proposal to offer the BE degree in Mechanical Engineering at SUNY Korea, starting the Fall of 2015.  

The current situation at SUNY Korea is that one undergraduate program is currently offered (BS in Technological Systems Management).  In addition, the BS in Computer Science program has been approved, and the plan is to start offering it in fall, 2014.  The TSM students will start to arrive at SBU in the fall of 2014.  It is expected that 40-50 students will arrive; some are delayed in doing their studies at SBU due to military service, and only those that started in the fall of 2013 will arrive in fall of 2014. 
All students arriving at SBU have completed WRT 101 already. 

All SUNY Korea undergraduate students will follow the SBC (not the DEC), for consistency among all cohorts.  They will pay out-of-state tuition while at SBU.

In total, there are 53 undergraduate SUNY Korea students (one student was suspended due to low grades).  There are 67 graduate students (47 in DTS MS program, 12 in CS PhD program, and 8 in DTS PhD program). 

Imin Kao distributed a handout showing an example schedule for the BE program in Mechanical Engineering.

All courses offered at SUNY Korea are vetted with the home department here at SBU (e.g., the calculus courses are vetted by AMS here). 

Norm indicated that CAPRA is raising concerns about the availability of resources for seats in SBC courses to accommodate the new influx of students on campus at SBU.  The Provost’s office should make a statement about resources.

SUNY Korea students coming to SBU will be housed in the ITS and GLS colleges.
Imin Kao indicated that the plan is that in 5 years, about 170 students from SUNY Korea will be attending SBU, taking 1-2 courses in TSM and about 3 other SBC courses each semester, selecting freely among SBC courses offered here.

Norm raised concern about classroom space implications of the additional students brought in by these and other programs.

Imin Kao discussed the Mechanical Engineering proposal, which includes BE, MS, and PhD programs.  (The MS and PhD program proposals were already sent to SUNY; the Korean Ministry of Education suggested that they will review all 3 proposed degree programs together.)

Norm asked to what extent the Mechanical Engineering faculty at SBU were involved in the decision.  Foluso mentioned that 7-8 faculty in MechE indicated interest in going to Korea.

Imin will be presenting the BE proposal to the Senate committees.

The approval of the proposed Computer Science BS program took nearly a year with the MOE.
The UGC raised concerns about students who need pre-calculus courses.  The UGC also raised a concern about SUNY Korea students who do not pass (with a sufficient grade) SBC courses they take during their time at SBU; Imin Kao indicated that such students will have to retake the necessary courses and may have to stay an additional semester at SBU. The current plan is for the students to take the SBC courses in winter or summer sessions, if they do not pass with a sufficient grade.  The Ministry of Education (MoE) in Korea had requested that SUNY Korea students come back to Songdo after one year of study at SBU.  If they are only missing few courses, they can also seek to make up such courses with the approval of the Stony Brook's Department of Mechanical Engineering by taking transferrable courses, after they come back to Songdo. (We will identify the institutions available to provide relevant courses that are transferable.) If they are far behind the completion of SBC requirements, we will have to deal with it on a case-by-case basis (for example, requesting MoE to grant an exception for that particular student).

Sarah raised a concern about academic support; will students be adequately prepared for the “culture shock” of studying in the USA?  Imin responded that at SBU, the CEAS office (e.g., Jenn) will be in charge of advising, as usual for CEAS students here.  In Korea, SUNY Korea has an academic and student affairs department to handle such issues.  In fact, during April 14-18, three SBU staff will travel to SUNY Korea to assist in training support staff there. 

Imin mentioned that a large fraction of those hired at SUNY Korea are previously affiliated with SBU.
A question was raised whether double-certified courses in the SBC will reduce the 130 credits total required.  Questions were also raised about WRT 101 and WRT 102 in Korea.  Scott asked about ESL offerings.  Imin indicated that many SUNY Korea students already have international training and have excellent English skills.  

Respectively submitted,

Joe Mitchell